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===Problem from jimbo's talkpage ===

At least as great a problem is that ''perceptions'' of bias have changed radically. If reporting is factually accurate in the traditional sense of the words "factual" and "accurate," but presents information that the reader would rather not see, nowadays it's likely to be called biased or fake. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 03:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:: [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|SBHB]], how true! Objective facts are now called "fake news":
{{quotebox| "FOX News and the planetary system of right-wing news sites that would orbit it and, later, Breitbart, were particularly adept at weaponizing such arguments and exploiting the increasingly partisan fervor animating the Republican base: They accused the media establishment of “liberal bias,” and substituted their own right-wing views as “fair and balanced” – a redefinition of terms that was a harbinger of Trump’s hijacking of “fake news” to refer not to alt-right conspiracy theories and Russian troll posts, but to real news that he perceived as inconvenient or a threat to himself."<ref name="Woods_6/20/2018">{{cite web | last=Woods | first=Sean | title=Michiko Kakutani on Her Essential New Book 'The Death of Truth' | website=[[Rolling Stone]] | date=June 20, 2018 | url=https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/michiko-kakutani-on-her-essential-new-book-the-death-of-truth-666137/ | access-date=July 23, 2018}}</ref>}}
:: This is our new world, and our job as Wikipedians and citizens is to not surrender, but insist that RS are our standard. The MSM is not fake news. It is not the "enemy of the people".<ref name="Pak_Seyler_7/19/2018">{{cite web | last=Pak | first=Nataly | last2=Seyler | first2=Matt | title=Trump derides news media as 'enemy of the people' over Putin summit coverage | website=[[ABC News]] | date=July 19, 2018 | url=https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-calls-fake-news-media-real-enemy-people/story?id=56687436 | access-date=July 23, 2018}}</ref> If we cave, Wikipedia will be whitewashed, undermined, and fail to be an objective documentation of history and knowledge. -- [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 04:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
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{{od}} Some of the U.S. [[mainstream media]] is fake news (or fake-ish) along with their "[[happy-talk]]" opinions, as people worry to refer to [[FOX News]] as "[[Faux news]]" or other news groups repeat gossip and "let the reader decide". Some users ''above'' have warned how "[[news sells]]" and how it can be sold more, aka "[[yellow journalism]]" ([[sensationalism]] in news reports). In the U.S. it certainly appears how when a news group has a choice between "new" or "true" then they seem to run with "new" and claim they only repeat the news. If the news repeats "[[crooked Hillary]]" 999x, then there are many people who would just believe it, because the news "forgot" to report she was found to be honest and truthful after years of investigation. The news groups had the optional opinion to refute the lie of "crooked" but they opined not to refute, about 999x times. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 08:05, 23 July 2018 (UTC)